ELAC MIRACORD 46, i just finished sprucing it up!
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ELAC MIRACORD 46, i just finished sprucing it up!| MacGyver |
Posted: May 08, 2009 07:17 am
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 ST's Unofficial, Self-Professed "Mr.PIONEER"  Group: Members Posts: 572 Member No.: 607 Joined: December 06, 2008  |
i just spent the morning/noon yesterday giving that REALISTIC branded ELAC TT of mine a once over. i removed the transport assembly from the plinth, and applied some OLD ENGLISH wood polish to it. then i went and replaced the stock power cord and RCA leads with a high quality set. i also went ahead and applied a few treatments of CD scratch remover to the acrylic dustcover, removing the scuffing and restoring it to a like new sheen. have a look at the finished product:
   here's a couple of old shots to illustrate the difference in finish:   This post has been edited by MacGyver on May 08, 2009 07:17 am --------------------  PIONEER VSX-D1S TOTL 130w/ch. A/V Stereo Receiver (1990) PIONEER PD-91 Reference Compact Disc Player (1988/1990) (upgraded with parts from a PD-3000, the JPN market version) PIONEER PD-M90X Reference Multi-Play CD Player (1987) (the very first REFERENCE/ELITE multi-play CDP) PIONEER CT-S800 (1988) full-featured TOTL Single-Well LaserAmorphous-Head cassette deck, with casted-iron transformer PIONEER DV-09 Reference DVD Player (1997) PIONEER CLD-3030 TOTL Compatible Laser Disc Player (1988) PIONEER GR-777 Ten Band Stereo Graphic Equalizer (1988) (TOTL remote controllable EQ with dual spectrum display) PIONEER CS-G503 Four-Way Stereo Loudspeaker System (199?) PIONEER SE-305 Stereo Headphones (1974) PIONEER MR-100 Multi-Room IR Receiver (1989) PIONEER CU-MR100 Remote Control Unit (1989) PIONEER CU-AV70 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV100 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV200 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1989) -MISC.- ELAC MIRACORD 46 Direct Drive Phonograph Turntable (197?) DENON DCD-1500 CD player (1986) (heavily upgraded, Dual-Mono output TOTL) PIONEER PD-M6 Multi-CD player (1986) (the very first PIONEER magazine CD changer) JVC HR-S8000U S-VHS VCR (1988) MITSUBISHI HS-U70 S-VHS VCR (1988) ROLAND BOSS BR-1180 Hard Disk Digital Audio Recorder (2002) JVC RM-S1 Universal Programmable Touch-Panel Remote Control (1988)  ♥Aoi Nishimata Fan♥ |
  
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| hakka26 |
Posted: May 08, 2009 07:48 pm
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Nice. Elacs are surprisingly good tt's and the hanger is fun to watch.
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| MacGyver |
Posted: May 09, 2009 11:28 am
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Hanger?? -------------------- PIONEER VSX-D1S TOTL 130w/ch. A/V Stereo Receiver (1990) PIONEER PD-91 Reference Compact Disc Player (1988/1990) (upgraded with parts from a PD-3000, the JPN market version) PIONEER PD-M90X Reference Multi-Play CD Player (1987) (the very first REFERENCE/ELITE multi-play CDP) PIONEER CT-S800 (1988) full-featured TOTL Single-Well LaserAmorphous-Head cassette deck, with casted-iron transformer PIONEER DV-09 Reference DVD Player (1997) PIONEER CLD-3030 TOTL Compatible Laser Disc Player (1988) PIONEER GR-777 Ten Band Stereo Graphic Equalizer (1988) (TOTL remote controllable EQ with dual spectrum display) PIONEER CS-G503 Four-Way Stereo Loudspeaker System (199?) PIONEER SE-305 Stereo Headphones (1974) PIONEER MR-100 Multi-Room IR Receiver (1989) PIONEER CU-MR100 Remote Control Unit (1989) PIONEER CU-AV70 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV100 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV200 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1989) -MISC.- ELAC MIRACORD 46 Direct Drive Phonograph Turntable (197?) DENON DCD-1500 CD player (1986) (heavily upgraded, Dual-Mono output TOTL) PIONEER PD-M6 Multi-CD player (1986) (the very first PIONEER magazine CD changer) JVC HR-S8000U S-VHS VCR (1988) MITSUBISHI HS-U70 S-VHS VCR (1988) ROLAND BOSS BR-1180 Hard Disk Digital Audio Recorder (2002) JVC RM-S1 Universal Programmable Touch-Panel Remote Control (1988) ♥Aoi Nishimata Fan♥ |
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| hakka26 |
Posted: May 09, 2009 11:50 am
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oops, "Changer."
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| MacGyver |
Posted: May 10, 2009 06:56 am
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oh, hee hee! so, this is a changer model, eh? i kept the changer spindle and 45 adaptor from the BSR. i'd have been totally screwed for 45 playback otherwise, as this table had none of it's accessories included when i found it. i wonder if the BSR changer spindle is compatible with this? not that it matters, as i have no desire to use it as a changer. BTW, i just yesterday got a hold of this pack of spring-loaded kitchen table leveling feet that ended up working beautifully for the TT!! have a see;    This post has been edited by MacGyver on May 10, 2009 06:58 am -------------------- PIONEER VSX-D1S TOTL 130w/ch. A/V Stereo Receiver (1990) PIONEER PD-91 Reference Compact Disc Player (1988/1990) (upgraded with parts from a PD-3000, the JPN market version) PIONEER PD-M90X Reference Multi-Play CD Player (1987) (the very first REFERENCE/ELITE multi-play CDP) PIONEER CT-S800 (1988) full-featured TOTL Single-Well LaserAmorphous-Head cassette deck, with casted-iron transformer PIONEER DV-09 Reference DVD Player (1997) PIONEER CLD-3030 TOTL Compatible Laser Disc Player (1988) PIONEER GR-777 Ten Band Stereo Graphic Equalizer (1988) (TOTL remote controllable EQ with dual spectrum display) PIONEER CS-G503 Four-Way Stereo Loudspeaker System (199?) PIONEER SE-305 Stereo Headphones (1974) PIONEER MR-100 Multi-Room IR Receiver (1989) PIONEER CU-MR100 Remote Control Unit (1989) PIONEER CU-AV70 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV100 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV200 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1989) -MISC.- ELAC MIRACORD 46 Direct Drive Phonograph Turntable (197?) DENON DCD-1500 CD player (1986) (heavily upgraded, Dual-Mono output TOTL) PIONEER PD-M6 Multi-CD player (1986) (the very first PIONEER magazine CD changer) JVC HR-S8000U S-VHS VCR (1988) MITSUBISHI HS-U70 S-VHS VCR (1988) ROLAND BOSS BR-1180 Hard Disk Digital Audio Recorder (2002) JVC RM-S1 Universal Programmable Touch-Panel Remote Control (1988) ♥Aoi Nishimata Fan♥ |
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| clint e. |
Posted: May 10, 2009 07:57 am
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Unless you listen to very low volumes, it hurts me to see a beautiful TT in front of a loudspeaker....
 --------------------   "It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception." (When asked about his theory of relativity) - Albert Einstein |
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| hakka26 |
Posted: May 10, 2009 09:22 am
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Couple years ago, while on vacation, I picked up an Elac 40H and Marantz 27. Didn't realise until too late the Goodwill worker may have left things in the box as I was missing spindles (had the short button spindle). Luckily, a few months earlier I was at an estate sale and bough some "junk" including a busted Realistic Lab 40 TT ($1.00). Later, poking around, I found there was a covered storage space on the Lab 40. Inside were two changer spindles and a single play spindle for the Elac (Realistic carried re-branded Elacs)
 . Work perfectly. I also picked up a 45 changer spindle. Elacs use an "umbrella" type. There are three ribs that spread out at the top of the spindle to support the free floating vinyl. They pull in and let the vinyl drop. AFAIK, platters on most of the Elacs slow to let the lp drop. The spindles can be a costly item if you find them. |
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| MacGyver |
Posted: May 10, 2009 09:12 pm
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the changer spindle from the BSR is an "umbrella type" as well. i'd wager that it is compatible. i'll give it a shot. oh, and clint, i've never had a single issue one with the placement of the TT. i don't listen at catastrophic volumes, but i believe i listen loud enough to to make me well aware if there were problems. i can tell you with a certainty that i have none. in fact, i've been repeatedly ribbed about this very same thing over at STEVE HOFFMAN. so, can you tell me what sonic artifacts the arrangement should be causing? This post has been edited by MacGyver on May 10, 2009 09:17 pm -------------------- PIONEER VSX-D1S TOTL 130w/ch. A/V Stereo Receiver (1990) PIONEER PD-91 Reference Compact Disc Player (1988/1990) (upgraded with parts from a PD-3000, the JPN market version) PIONEER PD-M90X Reference Multi-Play CD Player (1987) (the very first REFERENCE/ELITE multi-play CDP) PIONEER CT-S800 (1988) full-featured TOTL Single-Well LaserAmorphous-Head cassette deck, with casted-iron transformer PIONEER DV-09 Reference DVD Player (1997) PIONEER CLD-3030 TOTL Compatible Laser Disc Player (1988) PIONEER GR-777 Ten Band Stereo Graphic Equalizer (1988) (TOTL remote controllable EQ with dual spectrum display) PIONEER CS-G503 Four-Way Stereo Loudspeaker System (199?) PIONEER SE-305 Stereo Headphones (1974) PIONEER MR-100 Multi-Room IR Receiver (1989) PIONEER CU-MR100 Remote Control Unit (1989) PIONEER CU-AV70 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV100 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV200 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1989) -MISC.- ELAC MIRACORD 46 Direct Drive Phonograph Turntable (197?) DENON DCD-1500 CD player (1986) (heavily upgraded, Dual-Mono output TOTL) PIONEER PD-M6 Multi-CD player (1986) (the very first PIONEER magazine CD changer) JVC HR-S8000U S-VHS VCR (1988) MITSUBISHI HS-U70 S-VHS VCR (1988) ROLAND BOSS BR-1180 Hard Disk Digital Audio Recorder (2002) JVC RM-S1 Universal Programmable Touch-Panel Remote Control (1988) ♥Aoi Nishimata Fan♥ |
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| MacGyver |
Posted: May 11, 2009 09:14 am
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in three years, i've never had a single issue one with the proximity of this or the BSR TT to the left loudspeaker. i don't listen at catastrophic volumes, but i believe i listen loud enough to to make me well aware if there were problems. i can tell you with a certainty that i have none. still, as i've been repeatedly ribbed about this very same thing over at STEVE HOFFMAN numerous times, i am now very curious about this. could you please explain to me what sonic problems the arrangement i have should be causing? perhaps it's just dumb luck? here's a perspective shot of the arrangement:
 -------------------- PIONEER VSX-D1S TOTL 130w/ch. A/V Stereo Receiver (1990) PIONEER PD-91 Reference Compact Disc Player (1988/1990) (upgraded with parts from a PD-3000, the JPN market version) PIONEER PD-M90X Reference Multi-Play CD Player (1987) (the very first REFERENCE/ELITE multi-play CDP) PIONEER CT-S800 (1988) full-featured TOTL Single-Well LaserAmorphous-Head cassette deck, with casted-iron transformer PIONEER DV-09 Reference DVD Player (1997) PIONEER CLD-3030 TOTL Compatible Laser Disc Player (1988) PIONEER GR-777 Ten Band Stereo Graphic Equalizer (1988) (TOTL remote controllable EQ with dual spectrum display) PIONEER CS-G503 Four-Way Stereo Loudspeaker System (199?) PIONEER SE-305 Stereo Headphones (1974) PIONEER MR-100 Multi-Room IR Receiver (1989) PIONEER CU-MR100 Remote Control Unit (1989) PIONEER CU-AV70 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV100 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV200 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1989) -MISC.- ELAC MIRACORD 46 Direct Drive Phonograph Turntable (197?) DENON DCD-1500 CD player (1986) (heavily upgraded, Dual-Mono output TOTL) PIONEER PD-M6 Multi-CD player (1986) (the very first PIONEER magazine CD changer) JVC HR-S8000U S-VHS VCR (1988) MITSUBISHI HS-U70 S-VHS VCR (1988) ROLAND BOSS BR-1180 Hard Disk Digital Audio Recorder (2002) JVC RM-S1 Universal Programmable Touch-Panel Remote Control (1988) ♥Aoi Nishimata Fan♥ |
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| MacGyver |
Posted: May 12, 2009 06:24 am
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just yesterday, i got the APRIL 1988 issue of STEREO REVIEW in the mail that i got off EBAY a week ago. it happened to have a letter and response regarding this very same issue. he said that the record and stylus can act as a microphone, and pick up vibrations from the speakers as a feedback loop that causes low-level rumble. that makes sense. it also makes sense now why i dont experience any problems, despite my TT's close proximity to the left speaker; both are heavily isolated. the TT has those spring-loaded feet i added, and it sits upon a dresser that is not only heavy, but suspended on long stilts. (it's the only dresser i've ever seen built like that, it looks like it's from the 1960s or so) so the TT has two layers of isolation. both speakers rest on speaker stands from RCA's 1984 "DIMENSIA" A/V integrated system package. those have peg feet for isolation. they rest on twin cabinets that are on casters. so the speakers have two layers of isolation as well. all this seems to result in resonance-free playback, the only possible vibrations coming from the sound in the air....
This post has been edited by MacGyver on May 12, 2009 06:25 am -------------------- PIONEER VSX-D1S TOTL 130w/ch. A/V Stereo Receiver (1990) PIONEER PD-91 Reference Compact Disc Player (1988/1990) (upgraded with parts from a PD-3000, the JPN market version) PIONEER PD-M90X Reference Multi-Play CD Player (1987) (the very first REFERENCE/ELITE multi-play CDP) PIONEER CT-S800 (1988) full-featured TOTL Single-Well LaserAmorphous-Head cassette deck, with casted-iron transformer PIONEER DV-09 Reference DVD Player (1997) PIONEER CLD-3030 TOTL Compatible Laser Disc Player (1988) PIONEER GR-777 Ten Band Stereo Graphic Equalizer (1988) (TOTL remote controllable EQ with dual spectrum display) PIONEER CS-G503 Four-Way Stereo Loudspeaker System (199?) PIONEER SE-305 Stereo Headphones (1974) PIONEER MR-100 Multi-Room IR Receiver (1989) PIONEER CU-MR100 Remote Control Unit (1989) PIONEER CU-AV70 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV100 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV200 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1989) -MISC.- ELAC MIRACORD 46 Direct Drive Phonograph Turntable (197?) DENON DCD-1500 CD player (1986) (heavily upgraded, Dual-Mono output TOTL) PIONEER PD-M6 Multi-CD player (1986) (the very first PIONEER magazine CD changer) JVC HR-S8000U S-VHS VCR (1988) MITSUBISHI HS-U70 S-VHS VCR (1988) ROLAND BOSS BR-1180 Hard Disk Digital Audio Recorder (2002) JVC RM-S1 Universal Programmable Touch-Panel Remote Control (1988) ♥Aoi Nishimata Fan♥ |
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| hakka26 |
Posted: May 15, 2009 01:32 am
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As long as the end that fits into the platter is correct it will work. Should look like the nosecone of a rocket. Post a pic if possible. |
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| clint e. |
Posted: May 15, 2009 05:57 am
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IMO as rule of thumb, i never placed a TT in front of a speaker, not only because of the microphonic issues with the stylus but also because of stylus stability in the vinyl grooves, but if you feel that's nothing wrong with it, that's ok.  -------------------- "It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception." (When asked about his theory of relativity) - Albert Einstein |
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| hakka26 |
Posted: May 15, 2009 11:03 pm
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FYI, here is a pic of the spindle end. Sorry about the flash. There is a thin pin sticking out the bottom (cause of shadow) that is hard to see. If the spindle you have doesn't resemble this I wouldn't use it as no telling what might get bent.
Regarding Alvaro's comcern, I know of what he says. I ahd a Thorens TT inside an armoire and though the cabinet was a few feet from the speakers it must have been in the wrong plane. Every time I played Judy Collins the woofers on my JBL L-112s would bounce around like a bowl of Jello unless I hit the high filter on the receiver. Attached Image (Click thumbnail to expand)  |
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| MacGyver |
Posted: May 17, 2009 06:52 am
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yep, the BSR's shaft is short. i already tried it, to no avail (don't worry, nothing got damaged!!) it doesn't matter anyway; i have no use for LP changer functions; the ELAC has it's single play spindle in place, and i kept the 45 adaptor from the scrapped BSR. so, i'm stylin' as far as vinyl goes. nevertheless, all will not be well in MACGYVER land until i get my cherished PD-3000 CDP fixed!!  -------------------- PIONEER VSX-D1S TOTL 130w/ch. A/V Stereo Receiver (1990) PIONEER PD-91 Reference Compact Disc Player (1988/1990) (upgraded with parts from a PD-3000, the JPN market version) PIONEER PD-M90X Reference Multi-Play CD Player (1987) (the very first REFERENCE/ELITE multi-play CDP) PIONEER CT-S800 (1988) full-featured TOTL Single-Well LaserAmorphous-Head cassette deck, with casted-iron transformer PIONEER DV-09 Reference DVD Player (1997) PIONEER CLD-3030 TOTL Compatible Laser Disc Player (1988) PIONEER GR-777 Ten Band Stereo Graphic Equalizer (1988) (TOTL remote controllable EQ with dual spectrum display) PIONEER CS-G503 Four-Way Stereo Loudspeaker System (199?) PIONEER SE-305 Stereo Headphones (1974) PIONEER MR-100 Multi-Room IR Receiver (1989) PIONEER CU-MR100 Remote Control Unit (1989) PIONEER CU-AV70 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV100 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV200 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1989) -MISC.- ELAC MIRACORD 46 Direct Drive Phonograph Turntable (197?) DENON DCD-1500 CD player (1986) (heavily upgraded, Dual-Mono output TOTL) PIONEER PD-M6 Multi-CD player (1986) (the very first PIONEER magazine CD changer) JVC HR-S8000U S-VHS VCR (1988) MITSUBISHI HS-U70 S-VHS VCR (1988) ROLAND BOSS BR-1180 Hard Disk Digital Audio Recorder (2002) JVC RM-S1 Universal Programmable Touch-Panel Remote Control (1988) ♥Aoi Nishimata Fan♥ |
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| MacGyver |
Posted: May 19, 2009 11:50 am
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found some pics of the ELAC changer spindle...   -------------------- PIONEER VSX-D1S TOTL 130w/ch. A/V Stereo Receiver (1990) PIONEER PD-91 Reference Compact Disc Player (1988/1990) (upgraded with parts from a PD-3000, the JPN market version) PIONEER PD-M90X Reference Multi-Play CD Player (1987) (the very first REFERENCE/ELITE multi-play CDP) PIONEER CT-S800 (1988) full-featured TOTL Single-Well LaserAmorphous-Head cassette deck, with casted-iron transformer PIONEER DV-09 Reference DVD Player (1997) PIONEER CLD-3030 TOTL Compatible Laser Disc Player (1988) PIONEER GR-777 Ten Band Stereo Graphic Equalizer (1988) (TOTL remote controllable EQ with dual spectrum display) PIONEER CS-G503 Four-Way Stereo Loudspeaker System (199?) PIONEER SE-305 Stereo Headphones (1974) PIONEER MR-100 Multi-Room IR Receiver (1989) PIONEER CU-MR100 Remote Control Unit (1989) PIONEER CU-AV70 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV100 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV200 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1989) -MISC.- ELAC MIRACORD 46 Direct Drive Phonograph Turntable (197?) DENON DCD-1500 CD player (1986) (heavily upgraded, Dual-Mono output TOTL) PIONEER PD-M6 Multi-CD player (1986) (the very first PIONEER magazine CD changer) JVC HR-S8000U S-VHS VCR (1988) MITSUBISHI HS-U70 S-VHS VCR (1988) ROLAND BOSS BR-1180 Hard Disk Digital Audio Recorder (2002) JVC RM-S1 Universal Programmable Touch-Panel Remote Control (1988) ♥Aoi Nishimata Fan♥ |
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